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 03-30-2009, 16:35 Post: 161541
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Other than this I gots nutin' to say. I'm hiding and watching to see how long it takes for other industries to be told what they can and can't do and how much their workers are allowed to make.






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 03-31-2009, 17:45 Post: 161583
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N-o-t s-o f-a-s-t Murf ol' boy. I watch more Canadian TVOntario and The CBC than US. You Canucks are just as worried about your economy as we are ours. Yes your banks are in better shape, but as far as employment goes there are BIG worries about the auto-related industries--such as Chrysler completely pulling out and perhaps GM too if contracts aren't revisited.






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I realize I'm the odd-man-out here, but unions DID have a place in the recent employment climate. The reason is simple: historically the corporate culture in this region of Detroit, Management including Owners and even indirectly Shareholders unfairly place all the profit earning capacity on the workers. It's an adversarial relationship. It's every man for himself. (Granted unions have gotten out of control, but I'm reflectng on the unions when they in their infantcy and what precipatated them.) That said, if Detroit had treated workers with due respect there would not be a need for unions--period.

In my early 20's I worked in privately-held manufacturing shop as a so-called design engineer--only to be shoved into doing everything BUT at the owner's whim. Why? Several reasons: he got my as-needed design services and more because the 1980's recession was on and jobs were hard to find, just like now. So he took advantage of it, and boasted how he could manipulate workers. Or so he thought. And since I was classified as an engineer, that drastically lowered his workmens comp premiums. (Incidentally I got severely injured on the job lifting metal stamping dies--I didn't have a case because no one believed I got hurt like that as designer) I fought back and I petitioned a union with about 30 or so others. The owner having been a student of Henry Ford who treated his employees with distain---realized the he better change his ways, and did. I ended up voting the union down. The change didn't last I they forced me back into the shop and I got fired. But this is culture here in this region.

That adversarial relationship or culture doesn't stop or end on the shop floor. It carries into the region where the employees, Ford's in particular, treat others outside of work (contractors like myself) with disdain too. ("Sh--t flows down" is the theory) Chrysler employees not so much. I finally had it with one Ford employee who was dictating to me when I could take a break, when to show up and what I was to charge him for the work. I flat out told him that he isn't at "the plant" and that he will not treat me like he's treated. He thought about it, and aplogized.






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